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no retribution...

And measures and matters of The Truth of the "time" we are in ...how "man" ..."thought to change time and times ...

Dearly beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, how that one day is with the Lord, as a thousand year, and a thousand year as one day.

The Lord is not slack to fulfil his promise, as some men count slackness: but is patient to us ward, and would have no man lost, but would receive all men to repentance.

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     Behold in a dream during the nightmare of the dark season ...of the times and time ..of the season of man ...see son of man ...

     and i was taken and shown a man ...

     and the man was teaching people ...

     and the he was teaching the people not to have retribution ...

     and that meaning no "payback" ...for evil deeds ...

     and no "getting even" ...

     and NOT even in jest ...or in joking ...

     and i listened to the man ...

     and the man turned his face towards me ...

     and i was astounded ...

     and that for his eyes were a flame of fire ...

 

and scripture came back to remembrance ...

 

ESAI or ISAIAH Chpt 66

 Thus saith the Lord: Heaven is my feet, and the earth is my footstool. Where shall now that house stand that ye build unto me? And where shall be the place, that I will dwell in ? As for these things, my hand hath made them all, and they are all created, saith the Lord. Which of them shall I then regard? Even him that is of a lowly troubled spirit, and standeth in awe of my works. For who so slayeth an ox for me, doeth me so great dishonor, as he that killeth a man. He that killeth a sheep for me, choketh a dog. He that bringeth me meat offerings, offereth swines blood: Who so maketh me a memorial of incense, praiseth the thing that is unright. Yet take they such ways in hand, and their soul delighteth in these abominations.
      Therefore will I also have pleasure in laughing them to scorn, and the thing that they fear, will I bring upon them. For when I called no man gave answer: when I spake, they would not hear: But did wickedness before mine eyes, and chose the things that displeaseth me. Hear the word of God all ye, that fear the thing which he speaketh. Your brethren that hate you, and cast you out for my names sake, say: Let the Lord magnify himself, that we may see your gladness: and yet they shall be confounded.
      For as touching the city and the temple, I hear the voice of the Lord, that will reward, and recompense his enemies: like as when a wife bringeth forth a man child, or ever she suffer the pain of the birth and anguish of the travail. Who ever heard or saw such things? doth the ground bare in one day? or are the people born all at once, as Sion beareth her sons? For thus sayeth the Lord: Am I he that maketh other to beare, and beare not myself? Am not I he that beareth, and maketh barren? sayeth thy God. Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her. Be joyful with her, all ye that mourned for her. For ye shall suck comfort out of her breasts, and be satisfied. Ye shall taste, and have delight in the plenteousness of her power. For thus saith the Lord: behold, I will let peace into her, like a water flood, and the might of the Heathen like a flowing stream. Then shall thee suck, ye shall be born upon her sides, and be joyful upon her knees. For like as a child is comforted of his mother, so shall I comfort you, and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem. And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb.
      Thus shall the hand of the Lord be known among his servants, and his indignation among his enemies. For behold, the Lord will come with fire, and his chariot shall be like a whirlwind, that he may recompense his vengeance in his wrath and indignation with flame of fire. For the Lord shall judge all flesh with the fire and with his sword, and there shall be a great number slain of the Lord. Such as have made themselves holy and clean in gardens, and those that have eaten swines flesh, mice, and other abominations, shall be taken away together, sayeth the Lord. For I will come to gather all people and tongues with their works and imaginations: these shall come, and see my glory. Unto them shall I give a token, and send certain of them ( that be delivered ) among the Gentiles: into Celicia, *Atrica and Lidia (where men can handle bows ) into *Italye also and Greek land.
      The isles far off, that have not heard speak of me, and have not seen my glory, shall preach my praise among the Gentiles and shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord, out of all the people upon horses, chariots and horse litters, upon Mules and carts to Jerusalem my holy hill ( sayeth the Lord ) like as the children of Israel bring the offering in clean vessels, to the house of the Lord.
      And I shall take out certain of them for to be priests and levites, sayeth the Lord. For like as the new heaven and the new earth which I will make, shall be fast established by me: ( sayeth the Lord ) So shall your seed and your name continue and there shall be a new Moon for the other, and a new Sabbath for the other, and all flesh shall come to worship before me ( sayeth the Lord ) And they shall go forth and look upon the *carions of them that have transgressed against me. For their worms shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and all flesh shall abhor them

     *Atrica (Africa?) *Italye (Italy) *carions (dead bodies)

     Such as have made themselves holy and clean in gardens, and those that have eaten swines flesh, mice, and other abominations, shall be taken away together, sayeth the Lord.

     ..."churches" comes to mind ...making themselves "clean" ...

DANIEL Chpt 10     

  In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, there was showed unto Daniel ( otherwise called Balthasar ) a matter, yee a true matter, but it is yet along time unto it. He understood the matter well, and perceived what the vision was. At the same time, I Daniel mourned for the space of three weeks, so that I had no lust to eat bread: as for flesh and wine there came none within my mouth: No, I did not once anoint myself, till the whole three weeks were out.
      Upon the twenty fourth day of the first month, I was by the great flood called Tigris: I lift up mine eyes, and looked: and behold, a man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Araby: His body was like the Chrisolite stone, his face ( to look upon ) was like lightning, his eyes as the flame of fire, his arms and feet were like fair glittering metal, but the voice of his words was like the voice of a multitude.
      I Daniel alone saw this vision, the men that were with me, saw it not: but a great fearfulness fell upon them, so that they fled away, and hid themselves. I was left there myself alone, and saw this great vision, so long till there remained no more strength within me: yee I lost my color clean, I wasted away, and my strength was gone. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and as soon as I heard it, faintness came upon me, and I fell down flat to the ground upon my face. And behold an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands, saying unto me: O Daniel, thou well beloved man: take good heed of the words, that I shall say unto thee, and stand right up, for unto thee am I now sent.
      And when he had said these words, I stood up trembling. Then said he unto me: fear not, Daniel: for why since the first day that thou set thine heart to understand, and didest chasten thyself before thy God: thy words have been heard. And I had come unto thee, when thou beganest to speak had not the prince over the kingdom of the Perses withstand me twenty one days. But lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, him have I left by the king of Persia, and am come to show thee, what shall happen unto thy people in the latter days: For it will be long yet or the vision be fulfilled.
      Now when he had spoken these words unto me, I cast down my head to the ground and held my tongue. Behold, there touched my lips one very like unto a man. Then opened I my mouth, and said unto him, that stood before me: O my Lord, my joints are loosed in the vision, and there is no more strength within me: Now may my Lords servant then talk with my Lord? seeing there is no strength in me, so that I can not take my breath? Upon this there touched me again, one much like a man, and comforted me, saying: O thou man so well beloved, fear not: be content, take a good heart unto thee, and be strong. So when he had spoken unto me, I recovered, and said: Speak on my Lord, for thou hast refreshed me. Then said he: knowest thou wherefore I am come unto thee? now will I go again to fight with the prince of Perses: As soon as I go forth, lo, the prince of *Greklande shall come. Nevertheless, I will show thee the thing, that is fast noted in the scripture of truth. And as for all yonder matters, there is none that helpeth me in them, but Michael your prince

     *Greklande (Greek land

THE FOURTH BOOK OF ESDRAS Chpt 12     

And it happened when the Lion spake, these words unto the Eagle, I saw, and behold, the head that afore had the upper hand, appeared no more: neither did the four wings appear any more, that came to him, and were set up to reign: and their kingdom was small and full of uproar. And I saw, and behold, they appeared no more, and the whole body of the Eagle was burnt, and the earth was in great fear. Then awakened I out of the trance of my mind, and from great fear, and said unto my spirit: Lo, this hast thou given me, in that thou searchest out the ways of the Highest: lo, yet I am weary in my mind, and very weak in my spirit, and little strength is there in me, for the great fear that I received this night. Therefore will I now beseech the Highest, that he will comfort me unto the end: And I said, Lord, Lord, if I have before thy sight, and if I am justified with thee before many other, and if my prayer be come up before thy face, comfort me then, and show me thy servant the interpretation and plain difference of this horrible sight, that thou mayest perfectly comfort my soul: for thou hast judged me worthy, to show me the last of times.
      And he said unto me: this is the interpretation of this sight. The Eagle whom thou saw sawest come up from the sea, is the kingdom which was seen in the vision of thy brother daniel, but it was not expounded unto him, for now I declare it unto thee. Behold, the days come, that there shall rise up a kingdom upon the earth, and it shall be feared above all the kingdoms that were before it. In the same kingdom shall twelve kings reign, one after the other. For the second shall begin to reign, and shall have more time than the other, and this do the twelve wings signify, which thou sawest. As for the voice that spake, and that thou sawest go out from the heads but not from the body, it be tokeneth, that after the time of that kingdom there shall arise great strivings, and it shall stand in peril of falling: nevertheless it shall not yet fall, but shall be set in to his beginning. And the eight under wings which thou sawest hang unto the wings of him, betoken, that in him there shall arise eight kings, whose time shall be small, and their years swift, and two of them shall bear. But when the midst time cometh, there shall be four kept in that time, when his time begineth to come that it may be ended, but two shall be kept unto the end.
      And where as thou sawest three heads resting, this is the interpretation: In his last shall the Highest raise up three kingdoms, and call many again into them, and they shall have the dominion of the earth, and of those that dwell therein, with much labor above all those that were before them. Therefore are they called the heads of the Eagle: for it is they that shall bring forth his wickedness again, and that shall perform and finish his last. And where as thou sawest, that the great head appeared no more, it signifieth, that one of them shall die upon his bed, and yet with pain, for the two that remain, shall be slain with the sword. For the sword of the one shall devour the other, but at the last shall he fall through the sword himself.
      And where as thou sawest two underwings upon the head that is on the right side, it signifieth that it is they, whom the Highest hath kept unto their end: this is a small kingdom, full of trouble. The Lion whom thou sawest rising up out of the wood, and roaring, and speaking unto the Eagle, and rebuking him for his unrighteousness, is the wind, which the Highest hath kept for them and for their wickedness unto the end: he shall reprove them, and rent them asunder before them. For he shall set them living before the judgement, and shall rebuke them: for the residue of my people shall he deliver with trouble, those that be preserved over mine ends: and he shall make them joyful until the coming day of Judgement, where of I have spoken unto thee from the beginning. This is the dream that thou sawest, and this is the interpretation. Thou only hast been meat to know the secret of the Highest.
      Therefore write all these things that thou hast seen in a book, and hide them, and teach them the wise in the people, whos hearts thou knowest may comprehend and keep these secrets. But wait thou here thyself yet seven days more, that it may be showed the , whatsoever pleaseth the Highest to declare unto thee, and with that he went his way.
      And when all the people perceived, that the seven days were past, And I come again into the city, they gathered them all together from the least to the most, and came unto me, and said: what have we offended thee? and what evil have we done against thee, that thou forsake us, and sitteth here in this place? For of all the people thou only are left us, as a grape of the vine, and as a candle in a dark place, and as a haven a ship preserved from the tempest. Have we not adversity enough, but thou must forsake us? Were it not better for us, that we had been burnt with Sion? For we are no better, then they that died there: and they wept with loud voice. Then answered I them and said: Be of good comfort O' Israel, be not heavy thou house of Jacob: for the Highest hath you in remembrance, and the Mighty hath not forgotten you in temptation. As for me, I have not forsaken you, neither am I departed from you: but am come into this place to pray, because of the misery of Israel, that I might seek mercy for the low estate of your Sanctuary. And now go your way home every man, and after these days will I come unto you. So the people went their way into the city, like as I commanded them: but I remained in the field seven days, as the Angel bade me: and I ate only of the flowers of the field, and had my meat of the herbs in those days

THE REVELATION OF ST JOHN Chpt 1     

 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, for to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass. And he sent and showed by his angel unto his servant John, which bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Happy is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein. For the time is at hand.
      John to the seven congregations in Asia. Grace be with you and peace, from him which is and which was, and which is to come, and from the seven spirits which are present before his throne, and from Jesus Christ which is a faithful witness, and first begotten of the dead: and Lord over the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from sins in his own blood, and made us kings and Priests unto God his father be glory and dominion for ever more. Amen. Behold he cometh with clouds, and all eyes shall see him: and they also which pierced him. And all kindreds of the earth shall wail. Even so: Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord almighty, which is and which was and which is to come.
      I John your brother and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience which is in *Jesu Christ, was in the isle of Pathmos for the word of God, and for the witnessing of Jesu Christ. I was in the spirit on a *sonday, and heard behind me a great voice, as it had been of a trumpet saying: I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. That thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the congregations which are in Asia, unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thiatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicia.
      And I turned back to see the voice that spake to me. And when I was turned: I saw seven golden candlesticks. And in the midst of the candlesticks, one like unto the son of man, clothed with a linen garment down to the ground, and girt about the *paps with a golden girdle. His head, and his hairs were white, as white wool, and as snow: and his eyes were as a flame of fire: and his feet like unto brass as though they burnt in a furnace: and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars. And out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword. And his face shone even as the *son in his strength.
      And when I saw him, I fell at his feet, even as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me: fear not. I am the first and the last, and am alive, and was dead. And behold I am alive for evermore, and have the keys of hell and of death. Write therefore the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be fulfilled hereafter: and the mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the messengers of the seven congregations: And the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven congregations

     *Jesu: Hebrew for Jesus. *sonday : exactly as it appears, sun in the text would have been sunne, see chap 6. *paps (chest)

THE REVELATION OF ST JOHN Chpt 2     

 And unto the messenger of the congregation of Thiatira write: This sayth the son of God, which has his eyes like unto a flame of fire, whose feet are like brass: I know thy works and thy love, service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy deeds, which are more at the last then at the first. Not withstanding I have a few things against thee, that thou *sufferest that woman Jezabel, which called herself a Prophetess, to teach and to deceive my servants, to make them commit fornication, and to eat meats offered up unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit fornication with her, into great adversity, except they turn from their deeds. And I will kill her children with death. And all the congregations shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts. And I will give unto everyone of you according to your works.
      Unto you I say, and unto others of them of Thiatira, as many as have not this learning and which have not known the deepness of *Sathan (as they say). I will put upon you none other burden, but that which you have already. Hold fast until I come, and whosoever overcometh and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and as the vessels of a potter, shall he break them to shivers. Even as I received of my father, so will I give him the morning star. Let him that has ears, hear what the spirit says to the congregations

     *Sathan (Satan); exact spelling. *sufferest (allow)

THE REVELATION OF ST JOHN Chpt 19     

And after that, I heard the voice of much people in heaven saying: Alleluya. Salvation and glory and honour and power be ascribed to the Lord our God, for true and righteous are his judgements, for he hath judged the great whore which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants of her hand. And again they said: Alleluya. And smoke rose up for evermore. And the twenty four elders, and the four beasts fell down, and worshipped God that sat on the seat saying: Amen, Alleluya. And a voice came out of the seat, saying: praise our Lord God all ye that are his servants, and ye that fear him both small and great.
      And I heard the voice of much people, even as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of strong thunderings, saying: Alleluya, for God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice and give honour to him: for the marriage of the lamb is come, and his wife made herself ready. And to her was granted, that she should be arrayed with pure and goodly raynes. For the raynes is the righteousness of saints. And he said unto me, happy are they which are called unto the Lambs supper. And he said unto me: these are the true sayings of God. And I fell at his feet, to worship him. And he said unto me, see thou do it not for I am thy fellow servant, and one of thy brethren, and of them that have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse: and he that sat upon him was faithful and true, and in righteousness did judge and make battle. His eyes were as a flame of fire: and on his head were many crowns: and he had a name written, that no man knew but him self. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and his name is called the word of God. And the warriors which were in heaven, followed him upon white horses, clothed with white and pure raynes: and out of his mouth went out a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the heathen. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron, and he trod the *winefat of fierceness and wrath of almighty God. And hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written: king of kings, and Lord of Lords.
      And I saw an Angel *stand in the sun, and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly by the midst of heaven, come and gather your selves to gether unto the supper of the great God that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and of high captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all free men and bond men, and of small and great. And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth, and their warriors gathered to gether to make battle against him that sat on the horse and against his soldiers.
      And the beast was taken and with him that false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that received the beasts mark, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast into a pond of fire burning with brimstone: and the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth, and all the fowls were full filled with their flesh


*winefat: see above ch 14.      *stand: stande from the original.

THE GOSPELL OF ST. MATTHEW Chpt 3     

  In those days John the Baptist came and preached in the wilderness of Jewry, saying: Repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand. This is he of whom it is spoken by the Prophet Esai, which saith: The voice of a crier in wilderness, prepare the Lords way, and make his paths straight. This John had his garment of camels hair, and a girdle of a skin about his loins. His meat was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Jewry, and all the region round about Jordan, and were baptised of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
      When he saw many of the Pharisees and of the Saduces come to his baptism, he said unto them: O' generation of vipers, who hath taught you to flee from the vengeance to come? Bring forth therefore the fruits belonging to repentance. And see that ye once think not to say in yourselves, we have Abraham to our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Even now is the axe put unto the root of the trees: so that every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit, is hewn down and cast into the fire.
      I baptise you in water in token of repentance: but he that cometh after me, is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear. He shall baptise you with the holy ghost and with fire: which hath also his fan in his hand, and will purge his flour, and gather the wheat into his garner, and will burn the chaff with unquencheable fire.

THE GOSPELL OF ST. LUKE Chpt 21

And when ye see Jerusalem besieged with an host, then understand that the desolation of the same is nigh. Then let them which are in Jewrye fly to the mountains. And let them which are in the midst of it, depart out. And let not them that are in other countries, enter therein. For these be the days of vengeance, to fulfil all that are written. But woe be to them that be with child, and to them that give suck in those days: for there shall be great trouble in the land, and wrath over all this people. And they shall fall on the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive, into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be trodden under foot of the gentiles, until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled.
      And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars: and in the earth the people shall be in such perplexity, that they shall not tell which way to turn themselves. The sea and the waters shall roar, and mens hearts shall fail them for fear, and for looking after those things which shall come on the earth. For the powers of heaven shall move. And then shall they see the son of man come in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to come to pass: then look up, and lift up your heads for your redemption draweth nigh.

ST. PAUL TO THE ROMANS Chpt 2

 Therefore art thou inexcusable O man, whosoever thou be that judgest. For in the same wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself. For thou that judgest doest even the same self things. But we are sure that the judgement of God is according to truth, against them which commit such things. Thinkest thou this O thou man that judgest them which do such things, and yet doest even the very same, that thou shalt escape the judgement of God? Either despisest thou the riches of his goodness, patience and long sufferance? and rememberest not how that the kindness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
      But thou after thine hard heart that cannot repent, heapest thee together the treasure of wrath against the day of vengeance, when shall be opened the righteous judgement of God which will reward every man according to his deeds: that is to say, praise, honour and immortality, to them which continue in good doing, and seek eternal life. But unto them that are rebellious and disobey the truth, and follow iniquity, shall come indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish upon the soul of every man that doth evil: of the Jewe first, and also of the Gentile. To every man that doth good, shall come praise, honour, and peace, to the Jewe first, and also to the Gentile. For there is no partiality with God. But whosoever hath sinned without law, shall perish without law. And as many as have sinned under the law, shall be judged by the law. For before God they are not righteous which hear the law: but the doers of the law shall be justified. For if the Gentiles which have no law, do of nature the things contained in the law: then they having no law, are a law unto themselves, which show the deed of the law written in their hearts: while their conscience beareth witness unto them and also their thoughts, accusing one another or excusing, at the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my Gospell.

ST. PAUL TO THE ROMANS Chpt 3

 What preferment than hath the Jewe? other what advantageth circumcision? Surely very much. First unto them was committed the word of God. What then though some of them did not believe? shall their unbelief make the promise of God without effect? God forbid. Let God be true, and all men liars, as it is written: That thou mightest be justified in thy saying and shouldest overcome when thou art judged.
      If our unrighteousness make the righteousness of God more excellent: what shall we say? Is God unrighteous which taketh vengeance? I speak after the manner of men. God forbid. For how then shall God judge the world? If the verity of God appear more excellent through my lie, unto his praise, why am I henceforth judged as a sinner? and say not rather (as men evil speak of us, and as some affirm that we say) let us do evil that good may come thereof. Whose damnation is just.

ST. PAUL TO THE ROMANS Chpt 12

Dearly beloved avenge not your selves, but give room unto the wrath of God. For it is written: vengeance is mine, and I will reward saith the Lord.
      Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him, if he thirst, give him drink. For in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil: But overcome evil with goodness.

     

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