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life beyond...the flesh...

And measures and matters of The Truth of the "time" we are in ...how "man" ..."thought to change time and times ...

Dearly beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, how that one day is with the Lord, as a thousand year, and a thousand year as one day.

The Lord is not slack to fulfil his promise, as some men count slackness: but is patient to us ward, and would have no man lost, but would receive all men to repentance.


     Behold in a dream during the dread nightmare of the dark season ...of the times and time ..of the season of man ...see son of man ...

and i was taken and shown a man ...

and the man was walking about ...a cold gray hard city ...

and the man looked ...

and not afar off ...was a very low wall ...

and he walked ...until he came to the very low wall ...

and he stepped over the very low wall ...

and in that instant ...his spirit rose up and went to the heavens.

evenso his body ...of flesh ...remained behind ...

and was inside ...within ...the very low ...wall ...


and was given to me without words ...that the spirit and life in and beyond the flesh ...is greater than ...life within ...within the flesh ...

and scripture came back to remembrance ...



The God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not. In the city of Damascon, the governor of the people under king Aretas, laid watch in the city of the Damascens, and would have caught me, and at a window was I let down in a basket through the wall, and so escaped his hands.
      It is not expedient for me no doubt to rejoice. Nevertheless I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ above fourteen years ago (whether he were in the body I cannot tell, or whether he were out of the body I cannot tell, (God knoweth) which was taken up into the third heaven. And I know the same man (whether in the body, or out of the body. I cannot tell God knoweth) how that he was taken up into Paradise, and heard words not to be spoken, which no man can utter. Of this man will I rejoice, of my self will I not rejoice, except it be of mine infirmities. And yet though I would rejoice, I should not be a fool: for I would say the truth. Nevertheless I spare, lest any man should think of me above that he seeth me to be, or heareth of me.
      And lest I should be exalted out of measure through the abundance of revelations, there was given unto me unquietness of the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me: because I should not be exalted out of measure. For this thing besought I the Lord *thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me: my grace is sufficient for thee. For my strength is made perfect through weakness. Very gladly therefore will I rejoice of my weakness, that the strength of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore have I *delectation in infirmities, in rebukes, in need, in persecutions, in anguish, for Christs sake. For when I am weak, then am I strong.
      I am made a fool in boasting myself. Ye have compelled me: I ought to have been commended of you. For in nothing was I inferior unto the chief Apostles, though I be nothing, yet the tokens of an Apostle were wrought among you with all patience: with signs and wonders, and mighty deeds. For what is it wherein ye were inferiors unto other congregations except it be therein that I was not grievous unto you. Forgive me this wrong done unto you. Behold now the third time I am ready to come unto you: and yet will I not be grievous unto you. For I seek not yours, but you. Also the children ought not to lay up for the fathers and mothers: but the fathers and mothers for the children.
      I will very gladly bestow, and will be bestowed for your souls: though the more I love you, the less I am loved again. But be it that I grieved you not: nevertheless I was crafty and took you with guile. Did I *pill you by any of them which I sent unto you: I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus defraud you of any thing? walked we not in one spirit? walked we not in like steps? Again think ye that we excuse ourselves? We speak in Christ in the sight of God.
      But we do all things dearly beloved for your edifying. For I fear lest it come to pass, that when I come, I shall not find you such as I would: and I shall be found unto you such as I would not: I fear lest there be found among you debate, envying, wrath, strife, backbitings, whisperings, swellings and discord. I fear lest when I come again, God bring me low among you, and I be constrained to bewail many of them which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness, fornication and wantonness which they have committed

*thrice (three times), *delectation (enjoyment, delight) *pill (from pilliage: extort, place in bondage)


There is then no damnation to them which are in Christ *Jesu, which walk not after the flesh: but after the spirit. For the law of the spirit that bringeth life through Jesus Christ, hath delivered me from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in as much it was weak because of the flesh: that performed God, and sent his son in the similitude of sinful flesh, and by sin damned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness required of the law might be fulfilled in us, which walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit.
      For they that are carnal, are carnally minded. But they that are spiritual, are ghostly minded. To be carnally minded, is death. But to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
      Because that the fleshly mind is *emnity against God: for it is not obedient to the law of God, neither can be. So then they that are given to the flesh, cannot please God.
But ye are not given to the flesh, but to the spirit: if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you. If there be any man that hath not the spirit of Christ, the same is none of his. If Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin: but the spirit is life for righteousness sake. Wherefore if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from death, dwell in you: even he that raised up Christ from death, shall quicken your mortal bodies, because that his spirit dwelleth in you.
      Therefore brethren we are now debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye must die. But if ye mortify the deeds of the body, by the help of the spirit, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the spirit of God: they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage to fear any more, but ye have received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry Abba father. The same spirit certifieth our spirit that we are the sons of God. If we be sons, we are also heirs, the heirs I mean of God, and heirs annexed with Christ if so be that we suffer together, that we may be glorified together.
      For I suppose that the afflictions of this life, are not worthy of the glory which shall be showed upon us. Also the fervent desire of the creatures abideth looking when the sons of God shall appear, because the creatures are subdued to vanity against their will: but for his will which subdueth them in hope. For the very creatures shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the sons of God. For we know that every creature groaneth with us also, and travaileth in pain even unto this time.
      Not they only, but even we also which have the first fruits of the spirit, mourn in ourselves and wait for the (adoption) and look for the deliverance of our bodies. For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen is no hope. For how can a man hope for that which he seeth? But and if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience abide for it.
      Likewise the spirit also helpeth our infirmities. For we know not what to desire as we ought: but the spirit maketh intercession mightily for us with groanings which cannot be expressed with tongue. And he that searcheth the hearts, knoweth what is the meaning of the spirit: for he maketh intercession for the saints according to pleasure of God.
      For we know that all things work for the best unto them that love God, which also are called of purpose. For those which he knew before, he also ordained before, that they should be like fashioned unto the shape of his son, that he might be the first begotten son among many brethren. Moreover which he appointed before them he also called. And which he called, them also be justified, which he justified, them he also glorified.
      What shall we then say to these things? If God be on our side: who can be against us? which spared not his own son, but gave him for us all: how shall he not with him give us all things also? Who shall lay anything to the charge of Gods chosen? it is God that justifieth: who then shall condemn? it is Christ which is dead, yee rather which is risen again, which is also on the right hand of God, and maketh intercession for us.
      Who shall separate us from the love of God? shall tribulation? or anguish? or persecution? other hunger? either nakedness? either peril? either sword? As it is written: For thy sake are we killed all day long, and are counted as sheep appointed to be slain. Nevertheless in all these things we overcome strongly through his help that loved us. Ye and I am sure that neither death, neither life, neither Angels, nor rule, neither power, neither things present, neither things to come, neither height, neither lowth, neither any other creature shall be able to depart us from the love of God, showed in Christ *Jesu our Lord

*Jesu: Jesus from the Hebrew. *emnity (enmity :hostility)


 Remember ye not brethren (I speak to them that know the law) how that the law hath power over a man as long as it endureth? For the woman which is in subjection to a man, is bound by the law to the man, as long as he liveth. If the man be dead, she is loosed from the law of the man. So then if while the man liveth she couple herself with another man, she shall be counted a wedlock breaker. But if the man be dead, she is free from the law: so that she is no wedlock breaker, though she couple herself with another man.
      Even so ye my brethren, are dead concerning the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be coupled to another (I mean to him that is risen again from death) that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the lusts of sin which were stirred up by the law reigned in our members, to bring forth fruit unto death. But now are we delivered from the law and dead from that whereunto we were in bondage that we should serve in a new conversation of the spirit, and not in the old conversation of the letter.
      What shall we say then? is the law sin?. God forbid: but I knew not what sin meant but by the law. For I had not known what lust had meant, except the law had said, thou shalt not lust. But sin took an occasion by the means of the commandment and wrought in me all manner of *concupiscence. For verily without the law, sin was dead. I once lived without law. But when the commandment came, sin revived, and I was dead. And the very same commandment which was ordained unto life, was found to be unto me an occasion of death. For sin took occasion by the means of the commandment, and so deceived me, and by the self commandment slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, just and good.
      Was that then which is good, made death unto me? God forbid. Nay sin was death unto me, that it might appear, how that sin by the means of that which is good, had wrought death in me: that sin which is under the commandment, might be out of measure sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin, because I *wot not what I do. For what I would, that do I not: but what I hate, that do I. If I do now that which I would not, I grant to the law that it is good. So then now, it is not I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is to say in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing. To will is present with me: but I find no means to perform that which is good. For I do not that good thing which I would but that evil do I, which I would not. Finally if I do that I would not, then is it not I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me, doeth it. I find then by the law that when I would do good, evil is present with me. I delight in the law of God, concerning the inner man. But I see another law in my members rebelling against the law of my mind, and subduing me unto the law of sin, which is in my members. O wretched man that I am: who shall deliver me from this body of death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I myself in my mind serve the law of God, and in my flesh the law of sin

*concupiscence: strong desire; lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and/or pride of goods.
*wot (know)



Paul and Timotheus the servants of *Jesu Christ. To all the saints in Christ Jesu, which are at Philippos, with the Bishops and Deacons.
      Grace be with you and peace from God our father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
      I thank my God with all remembrance of you, always in all my prayers for you and pray with gladness, because of the fellowship which ye have in the Gospell from the first day unto now: and am surely certified of this, that he which began a good work in you, shall go forth with it until the day of Jesus Christ as it becometh me so to judge of you all, because I have you in my heart and have you also every one companions of grace with me, even in my bonds, as I defend and establish the Gospell.
      For God beareth me record how greatly I long after you all from the very heart root in Jesus Christ. And this I pray, that your love may increase more and more in knowledge, and in all feeling, that ye might accept things, most excellent, that ye might be pure and such as should hurt no mans conscience, until the day of Christ, filled with the fruits of righteousness, which fruits come by Jesus Christ unto the glory and laud of God.
      I would ye understood brethren that my business is happened unto the greater furthering of the Gospell. So that my bonds in Christ are manifest throughout all the judgement hall and in all other places: In so much that many of the brethren in the Lord are boldened through my bonds, and dare more largely speak the word without fear. Some there are which preach Christ of envy and strife, and some of goodwill. The one part preacheth Christ of strife and not purely, supposing to add more adversity to my bonds. The other part of love, because they see that I am set to defend the Gospell.
      What then? So that Christ be preached all manner ways, whether it be by occasion, or of true meaning, I therein joy: yea and will joy. For I know that this shall chance to my salvation, through your prayer and ministering of the spirit of *Jesu Christ, as I heartily look for and hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed: but that with all confidence, as always in times past, even so now Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be through life, or else death. For Christ is to me life, and death is to me advantage.
      If it chance me to live in the flesh, that is to me fruitful for to work, and what to choose I *wot not, I am constrained of two things: I desire to be loosed and to be with Christ, which thing is best of all. Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. And this am I sure of, that I shall abide, and with you all continue, for the furtherance and joy of your faith that ye may more abundantly rejoice in Jesus Christ through me, by my coming to you again.
      Only let your conversation be, as it becometh the Gospell of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may yet hear of you, that ye continue in one spirit, and in one soul, laboring as we do, to maintain the faith of the gospell and in nothing fearing your adversaries: which is to them a token of *perdition, and to you of salvation, and that of God. For unto you it is given, that not only ye should believe on Christ: but also suffer for his sake, and have even the same fight which ye saw me have and now hear of me

*Jesu: Hebrew for Jesus. *wot (know) *perdition (utter ruin)


 We know surely if our earthy mansion wherein we now dwell were destroyed, that we have a building ordained of God, an habitation not made with hands, but eternal in heaven: And therefore sigh we, desiring to be clothed with our mansion which is from heaven: so yet if that we be found clothed, and not naked. For as long as we are in this tabernacle, we sigh and are grieved, for we would not be unclothed, but would be clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. He that hath ordained us for this thing, is God: which very same hath given unto us the earnest of the spirit.
      Therefore we are always of good cheer, and know well that as long as we are at home in the body, we are absent from God. For we walk in faith and see not. Nevertheless we are of good comfort, and had *liefer to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore, whether we be at home or from home we endeavor our selves to please him. For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ, that every man may receive the works of his body according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad?
      Seeing then that we know, how the Lord is to be feared, we fare fair with men. For we are known well enough unto God. I trust also that we are known in your consciences.
      We praise not ourselves again unto you, but give you an occasion to rejoice of us, that ye may have somewhat against them, which rejoice in the face, and not in the heart. For if we be too fervent to God are we too fervent. If we keep measure, for your cause keep we measure. For the love of Christ constraineth us, because we thus judge, if one be dead for all, that then are all dead, and that he died for all, that they which live, should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them and rose again.
      Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh. In so much though we have known Christ after the flesh, now henceforth know we him so no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature. Old things are passed away, behold all things are become new. Nevertheless all things are of God, which hath reconciled us unto himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given unto us the office to preach the atonement. For God was in Christ, and made agreement between the world and him self, and imputed not their sins unto them: and hath committed to us the preaching of the atonement. Now then are we messengers in the room of Christ even as though God did beseech you through us: So pray we you in Christs stead, that ye be at one with God: for he hath made him to be sin for us, which knew no sin, that we by his means should be that righteousness which before God is allowed

*liefer (loved to, ready willing, )


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